Irrationality Could Decide War on Terror

Prophecy, Belief, Prejudice, and Fear

Allah delivers a beat-down to all the August 22nd prophecy-mongers. In case you missed it, supposedly Ahmedinejad had made repeated reference to this year’s anniversary of the night in Islam where Mohammad travels by flight to the ‘farthest mosque’, a reference to the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem.

Even noted Middle East historian Bernard Lewis was taken in, but as Allah @ Hot Air notes, such Western credulity undercuts the real menace Ahmedinejad and Iran can be- by “crying wolf”.

Also from HotAir is a report on the recent expelling of two Muslim men from a UK-bound Spanish flight.

The men were forced to leave the flight after fellow passengers wrongly suspected them of being terrorists. Several people on board flight ZB 613 from Malaga to Manchester demanded their removal.

Cabin crew informed Spanish authorities and the men were ordered off the Monarch Airlines flight and questioned by police for several hours. They were eventually cleared and put on an alternative flight.

Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said the incident demonstrated the “the high level of suspicion that ordinary Muslims are often being unfairly subjected to” and said that many Muslims were being treated as if they were “guilty unless proven innocent”.

As unfortunate as this incident is, (and patently discriminatory to the men ordered off the plane), this is a real sign of progress in the war on terror.

We appear to be getting beyond the mythological and delusional mantras that all Muslims are practitioners of the Religion Of Peace, and while the Spanish airline incident indicates a vast overreaction, at least the herd are waking up to the threat.

Collective non-violent punishment of all Muslims- imposed not by government, but by society as a whole, could be an important tool in moving “moderate Muslims” to rein in the more virulent death merchants in their midst.

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    15 Comments »

    Comment by Chad

    August 23, 2006 @ 4:54 pm

    And it also wakes up Muslims to the notion that no matter how moderate they are, tey will be targeted and discriminated against.

    I wonder if collective non-violent punishment of all men should be the response to rein in all male domestic abusers. Should collective non-violent punishment of all Americans be used to rein in soldiers in Iraq that murder civillians. Sure, there are plenty of men and soldiers that don’t do things things, but the herds need to wake up and start punishing.

    Comment by libertarian democrat

    August 23, 2006 @ 6:39 pm

    “As unfortunate as this incident is, (and patently discriminatory to the men ordered off the plane), this is a real sign of progress in the war on terror.

    Collective non-violent punishment of all Muslims- imposed not by government, but by society as a whole, could be an important tool in moving “moderate Muslims” to rein in the more virulent death merchants in their midst.”

    Then why not go all the way and stab them in their seats? Really get the message home to Muslims.

    I find more and more Republicans that seem to be willing to buck the paranoid party line, so let me give a shout out to Chuck Hegel and Mayor Bloomberg.

    Comment by Allan

    August 23, 2006 @ 8:11 pm

    Then why not go all the way and stab them in their seats? Really get the message home to Muslims.

    Because if something isn’t done before too long, and the terrorists get nukes, it’s really going to get to that point.

    Before they obtain WMD like nukes, the Islamofascists must be stopped by more moderate Muslims, or else the bombings of Dresden will look like a cocktail party.

    Comment by libertarian democrat

    August 23, 2006 @ 11:02 pm

    There will be no moderate Muslims if we PROUDLY abuse and insult them and their religion. This should be obvious.

    That is why I believe we need an international President in 2008 and not a good ol boy talking about Macaca. The people of the world need to know that the US is a beacon of freedom and a friend to the world. It sounds sappy, but PR like that is what defuses and diffuses anti-American sentiment.

    The problem is that I can’t name a Presidential hopeful with the ability to charm the world or be a transformational leader and I have no faith in the country to elect him or her anyway.

    Comment by Allan

    August 24, 2006 @ 1:32 pm


    There will be no moderate Muslims if we PROUDLY abuse and insult them and their religion. This should be obvious.

    Right, because there are no moderate Americans because of all the ‘Death to America’ stuff.

    Do moderate Muslims have no responsibility to do their part to end Islamofascism?

    As for abuse and insult, why is it assumed those in West should always turn the other cheek, but Muslims should riot, burn, and pillage when their religion is insulted?

    Comment by MEC2

    August 24, 2006 @ 4:22 pm

    If there are forces of good and evil, and if you think we are a force for good, why are you trying to get evil to like you? Do you think you can placate evil? Can you domesticate evil? Train it to behave? Come to an accomodation with it? Does evil just not like us enough to stop being evil? International president, what a load of pusillanimous tripe.

    Keep putting your head in the lion’s mouth, LD, and you’ll see who ends up with your head.

    Comment by libertarian democrat

    August 24, 2006 @ 11:20 pm

    Allan- Most Americans can differentiate between a few extremists and the majority of people in the world. I think you’ve lost touch with that concept in the keyboard war on terror.

    However, if Americans started getting thrown out of airplanes for being American, there would be a reaction. Don’t kid yourself.

    MEC. Most of the world is not evil. I know you sit up in Frisco with the huge set piping paranoia straight into your brain. Turn it off and get real.

    The US needs to make a concerted effort to improve her image. While Abu Ghraib may be something you dismiss, the world doesn’t. Deal with the perceptions or they become the reality that we must deal with.

    Comment by Allan

    August 29, 2006 @ 11:26 am

    Cross posted at Saskboy’s site

    Racial profiling doesn’t make logical sense, as I note on my blog. But the truth is that political correctness and sensitivity are not effective tools against the Islamofascists.

    Most Muslims living in the West do so to escape the repressive societies they grew up in and are eager to reap the benefits of additional freedom and opportunity.

    These moderate Muslims, who abandoned their homelands for the West are no more likely to defend their new homes than their old. The only thing that might bring them on board is to threaten their freedoms- not through official government proclamations, but through actions like the Spanish airline incident.

    To these newly-fashioned Westerners- and to those of us with roots in Canada, America, and Britain- I say help defend our lands lest, through your silence and inaction, you become complicit in furthering the aims of terrorists.

    Comment by libertarian democrat

    August 29, 2006 @ 12:06 pm

    “These moderate Muslims, who abandoned their homelands for the West are no more likely to defend their new homes than their old. The only thing that might bring them on board is to threaten their freedoms- not through official government proclamations, but through actions like the Spanish airline incident.”

    Good God Almighty. The untold, heroic, story of the terrorism era is just how much Muslims have helped. This has been commented on by Mueller and others and is apparent if you read the stories of how many of the wanna be “terror cells” are actually closed down.

    Comment by Allan

    August 29, 2006 @ 5:39 pm

    Perhaps it is untold. Perhaps it is overrated. All I know is that should terrorism become a bigger problem in the west, the first to feel the effects will be the Muslims who voted with their feet.

    And while the majority of Western Muslims are “on our side”, many support Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. Some, like John Allen Muhammed, Lee Malvo, and John Walker Lindh (among others) aren’t so magnanimous.

    Comment by Saskboy

    August 29, 2006 @ 6:53 pm

    “The only thing that might bring them on board is to threaten their freedoms-”

    Allan, I think you’ll find that people don’t respond in a peaceful way to “non-violent oppression”. Racially profiling Muslims [which by the way isn’t possible because religion isn’t a skin colour] will only heighten racism and violence between cultures.

    Comment by Allan

    August 29, 2006 @ 7:07 pm

    At present, I am against racial profiling.

    However, history is full of examples of people remaining peaceful in the face of non-violent oppression. Consider India, while it was a British possession. Doubtless Indians generally wanted their freedom, and there were numerous violent uprisings (many brutally repressed), but had Indians been of one mind they could have swept every last Brit out of the country in about ten minutes.

    In other words, most Indians of the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries preferred make the best of a bad situation.

    Repression is not total and absolute. There are varying degrees that are have different tolerabilities.

    In any event, I was not suggesting any kind of official government policy targeting Muslims.

    I was trying to spark a debate about how political correctness actually enforces a separation between Muslim and non-Muslim Westerners. We have been taught that Islam is a religion of peace and that its practiticioners are to be universally respected.

    This is bunk. Unfortunately, Islam is what its adherents wish it to be, and all too many want to use the otherwise valid religion as a fascist device. (Christianity was used in this way to try to stop the Enlightenment, fortunately the Catholic church of the time failed.)

    It’s not clear where Western Muslims stand in this war on terror. For every supportive action and attempt to defend freedom and democratic values, there seem to be two or three angry mobs demonstrating in support of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the terrorist-linked CAIR political group.

    This last fact is the fault of Western Muslims. They are failing, in the main, to speak out publicly. It is this that opens the door to those who would racially profile and stereotype. I was hoping that some stereotyping and profiling would spur them to action in defense of the West.

    Comment by Saskboy

    August 29, 2006 @ 7:20 pm

    I don’t think moderates are failing to speak out, it’s just that they are by the very definition of being moderate, are more reserved than the freak fringes that make it on TV with demonstrations. Not all demonstrations are in support of terrorism, even if there are sometimes terrorist groups some in the crowd call out support for. It’s support for Muslims still in the Middle East to be unoppressed by perceived occupations. Terrorists spin those demonstrations as an excuse to kill, when really political changes have to take place over there, not more violence which leads to the profiling and hatred rampent in that part of the world.

    Comment by libertarian democrat

    August 30, 2006 @ 3:59 pm

    The government and the media blab about every threat and conviction. Add up the number of terrorists we have arrested, tried and convicted. It is a miniscule number of people.

    Comment by Allan

    August 30, 2006 @ 7:05 pm

    Ever wonder why that is?

    Add up all the terrorist we’ve killed. It’s far less miniscule.

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